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I gotta insert a rant, or maybe something I pompously think might be educating and/or informative, here. In no way is this intended to be patronising.

Comments On dA.  You're doin' it wrong!

Okay, admittedly it’s only a small proportion of the dA community who seem to be sadly uneducated about the standard level of courtesy meant to be used when addressing people. Making insensitive, rude and stupid comments does not make you opinionated or brave. That sense of pride you feel when making a conflicting comment is sadly misplaced. Why? Because you’re hiding behind cyber walls. I highly, highly doubt you would say those things to the person’s face. (And I’m not talking about trolls, because trolls are just losers with no motive except to scrabble for the title of Biggest Douchebag on the Internet.)

Here are my rules of thumb, and perhaps I’m being arrogant and self-righteous by hoping someone might take something away from this, but consider it a tutorial of sorts on what NOT to write in comments. (Please note that all the examples I’ve used are from other artists’ work).

:bulletred:Rule 1: If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all OR If you don’t like the piece, don’t comment. Don’t write: ‘I don’t like it.’ That’s not helpful, and no one cares. Examples I’ve seen: ‘This one kinda sucks compared to your others’

:bulletred:Rule 2: Offer criticism POLITELY. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism helps an artist progress so IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT then always POLITELY offer criticism.

:bulletred:Rule 3: Don’t JUST write something critical. That’s hurtful and negative. Balance it out with something you LIKE about the picture.

:bulletred:Rule 4: Don’t write something vague. Examples I have seen: ‘It’s not perfect’ and ‘Wow um…’ and ‘Omg’. This is NOT helpful to the artist. It’s barely an opinion.

:bulletred:Rule 5: If you don’t like the subject in the picture, kindly keep it to yourself. Examples I’ve seen: ‘Lady Gaga is pathetic’ and ‘I don’t like Tifa’.  No one cares what you think. Why did you click on it and bother writing a comment if you don’t like the subject matter in the first place? I.e. refer back to Rule 1.

:bulletred:Rule 6: Don’t write things that aren’t related to that piece of work. Save that for the artist’s profile. Examples: ‘Why did you change your screen name?’

:bulletred:Rule 7: Don’t demand work/answers from the artist. Examples: ‘Why did you draw her blond?’ and ‘Draw Edward.’ It’s unconstructive and frustrating. If you want to ask a question, ask it POLITELY within a constructive comment about the piece of art. For example: ‘I really like the colours in this picture. Do you think you’ll ever draw Aeris?’ Barking questions at the artist is rude and you probably wont get a response.

Good Rules to follow:
1. Pick out something specific you like, no matter how small. E.g colour, composition, expression.
2. Pick out something you think could be altered. BE SPECIFIC. E.g the flow of the hair, the perspective, the shoes.
3. End on a positive note.
4. Always respect the artist’s style. Just because you don’t like the style, doesn’t mean it’s a bad picture.

A good example of a comment might be: ‘I really like this piece. The composition is unusual but very striking. My only crit would be that the left arm is a little too elongated. But it’s a brilliant piece of work, well done!’

How to turn this comment bad: ‘I like it’ OR ‘Arm is wrong…’

I’m not saying comments should be an essay (nor am I dictating how people should comment) but it’s worth taking that extra second to think before you type.

I don’t want people to think I’m ungrateful for comments, because truthfully I’ve only had, like, three comments that are worded negatively. For some reason it makes me mad when I see comments like that written on OTHER people’s art. It makes me wanna proper have a go at them, but that would just be petty and wouldn’t get me anywhere. The only time I leave ‘angry’ comments is if the art is stolen or offensive.

I’m not sure whether to label the people behind these comments as ignorant or just rude, but either way, THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE. There’s a person with feelings behind every piece of art, and it really doesn’t take much effort to realise this before you start vomiting your inconsiderate nonsense all over their comment box.

If you feel the same then of course you can duplicate the rules I wrote up. I like to think I’m spreading love, haha. Maybe I’m deluded but meh. The reason for this rant is because of a poor girl I came across on dA who got so much abuse over one of her pictures. She was obviously young and… had some room for improvement, but the level of abuse she was getting was completely unacceptable, from ‘It looks terrible’ to ‘You should never draw again’. C’mon, now, that’s just MEAN.

Anyway, like I said, it’s a small and stupid minority who write comments like that and I’m not in any way, shape or form bitching about leaving comments in general. I personally appreciate the time, thought and effort behind every comment and I love the connection and communication created by the ability to write comments. I just wish people would think a bit more before they write.

And before anyone says so, of course I could just ignore the bad comments written on people’s work, but if everyone ignored everything that’s bad then how can we ever improve?

Your opinions on the subject are, as usual, always welcome. I love a good discussion :-) What are your experiences involving comments? What do you like to see in a comment? What DON’T you like to see? Will trolls EVER stop trolling? (<ha joke)

(My favourite comment I ever received was simply ‘…’ lol, what is that even supposed to mean??)
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:icondrhitpoint:
No one cares what you think.

You summed up how I feel about this journal nicely.
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*LadyAdler Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fair enough :-)
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*blobble Mar 12, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
I already faved your news article, but I wanted to comment here too, a little more personally. I think I've only had one awful review once, in the sense that it was just being mean. On one of my pieces, I believe someone wrote along the lines of "this is just awful, he looks like he has 3 legs, it just looks bad!" I gave the person the benefit of the doubt (I don't think his/her English was very good) and replied back with a cheerful "LOL you're right, it does look like he has 3 legs!", but I never quite liked how that person started off by saying something along the lines of "This is just awful." I didn't think that was a necessary or valid argument, and on top of that, I didn't think that 3 legs warranted my drawing to be deemed "Just awful".

I don't understand why some people don't bother giving polite, constructive critiques, but a lot of people a) misread things online (especially on artist comments) because when people type and when people speak, it varies and can be interpreted differently, and as a whole, I think a lot of the rude commentors are rude because b) they haven't been saturated in an environment where you have to give constructive and polite critiques, such as in an art studio. A lot of them are just fans or lurkers who think it's something casual or something "just for fun", and then simply write it off with an irritatingly rude response such as "You should never draw again." I think a lot of them forget that deviantart is just not a place to poke fun at people (ie a lot of those troll like sites), but it's really supposed to be a community to build and foster art.
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*LadyAdler Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow, you're absolutely right. I have noticed that those who write mean things aren't really artists themselves. Their galleries are full od screenshots/badly taken self portraits etc. You NEVER a fellow artist (who takes it seriously) commenting badly, because they understand how that artist feels. Maybe that's the problem - dA is now a home not just for artists but for lurkers and fans, who come here to see amazing pictures of SasuNaru or whatever.

No art is 'just awful'. There's ALWAYS something good about a piece, and if you can't see it, you obviously don't have the talent to be an artist, and shouldn't be commenting anyway. Good on you for coming back with a cheerful response. 'Don't feed the trolls' is such a hard rule to follow sometimes, lol!
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*blobble Mar 13, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Omgoodness trolls. A dose of perkiness should drive them away any day!

I think overall, a lot of people on deviantart have the mentality that art is easy, for kicks, as a hobby, or can be produced automatically via Photoshop with a lot of dodges, burns and filters. For many, they've never actually experienced what serious art is (and most of them I think would be scared off it if they did). On the opposite side of poor commenters, you often also get poor artists in that they have not built up any hard skin for constructive criticism at all, and when you get good commenters that give balanced reviews, there's suddenly a lot of butthurt.

I would honestly encourage anyone who wants to be a "srs artist" or be seriously contributing to the society of deviantart to actually go through an arts critique and practice giving good comments there. There are some comments that are just unwarranted, and frankly, many of them are cowards who hide behind cyber walls.
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*LadyAdler Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ick. Made the mistake of feeding the trolls today. Darn - need to get that reminder tattooed on my freakin' head lol. I was sticking up for my fave artist who got trolled and then the trolls turned on me! *sigh*... I've learnt my lesson, haha. Trolls be trollin' and cannot be reasoned with. *Retaliates with perkiness*

Mmmm, I'm not fond of artists who give critcism but can't take it, too. I always find that a little weird. Like you say, they just need to grow a thicker skin, I think.
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*blobble Mar 13, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Good on you for sticking up though! Some trolls are just immature, but other trolls seriously need be taught manners.

Thicker but porous! That'd be the best :D! For blocking out trolls and stupid comments, but receptive to truly helpful comments! (That looks appealing!)
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!KitakLaw Mar 12, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Thanks so much for the reminder - sometimes I know I get carried away on the "one-sentence comments", but I really only do that when I'm meaning them as compliments.

As for my own experiences with rude comments or trolling...it's happened before, but I admit it was my own fault for choosing controversial subject matter to begin with. What annoys me, though, is when two commentors get into flame wars on one of my pieces, because the artist is not notified if two viewers interact with one another, so things can get ugly then at times. I also don't like the whole "troll then block" routine some people do, but...you can't have everything, I guess.

Anyway, once again, thanks for bringing this up, and I'll be trying to keep these guidelines in mind in the future! :)
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*LadyAdler Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Cowardly trolls are the WORST. They're not even standing up for what they believe in! Ick.

One sentence comments are fine too; you're a nice person so I'm sure you wouldn't write one sentence of meanness! ;-)
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!KitakLaw Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Ah well, what can you do? It's just a part of life on the Internet, so I'm learning to just take it in stride.

And thanks for the compliment :hug: But I daresay that a one-sentence of pure gushiness isn't all that helpful in the long run, even if it is encouraging....
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